Buying gold - All scams? - Guild Wars Forums

delude · Mar 04, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

I just wandered if there is a legit, popular website that sells guild wars gold. Do people actually do this? Have any of you ever bought off one?

I know it sounds n00bish, lol, but this is my first online RPG and just had to ask the question.

I'd like to make clear that I AM NOT asking for a site at all. I do not want to buy gold at all. I was wandering if plaync could shut some of these sites down, because surely its not legal. So many people advertise doing this, can they just not get banned or something?

That brings me on to another question, how would i actually report somebody if I saw them advertising these kind of sites. Is there an in game report form or something?

Sir Seifus Halbred · Mar 04, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Well first off buying Guild Wars gold is against the rules and not allowed.

Furthermore, asking where you can buy Guild Wars gold on this site is against the rules i believe.

User Agreement

Etta · Mar 04, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

There are no ligit gold selling site for GW. Yes people do buy them, they choose the easy part or they're just fat & lazy. If anet catch you doing it, they can ban you from GW forever.

Eldin · Mar 04, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I've seen sites that seem legit (aka, they treat the whole thing like a real business).

Yes, some people are lazy enough to do this.

No, I never have and never will buy off one.

I doubt you're allowed to ask for links to said sites on the forum.

Smile Like Umean It · Mar 04, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Take a screenshot of them advertising to sell/buy and send it to support. http://uk.support.plaync.com/cgi-bin...p_new_search=1

Look here to see what will help you report them here. http://www.plaync.com/us/support/doc_2963.html?prod=48

Xenex Xclame · Mar 04, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Did the op edit his post, which said "can you guys tell me the site!" or are you guys just so unhelpful.

Lets start with your title , No , most of them are not scams, they are just people that will sell you in game gold for real world cash.

In Guildwars its not legit no,there are other games that do sell in game gold of some kind but not GW , its against the rules.Yes some people do actually buy in game gold from these sites.No and do you really think anyone will say they have bought it here?Common think about it.

I believe they can not shut down the sites, they can ask google to remove them, ebay to remove them, etc etc, but the site them selfs they cant do anything against i think.
So many people advertise doing this, can they just not get banned or something?

There are so many people ( most of the time its just the same person with multiple accounts) because it is profitable, lets say you sell 1000K gold for 70$ ( i think that the price i saw advertised in Temple of Balthazar last night)
And lets say 20 people buy from you then you get reported and banned.
You would have made 70X20=1400$ ( Holy Cow O_o are my numbers correct?)
So what do you do?You buy a new account ~35$ and you continue, not really a loss.

About reporting, someone above me posted where you should go and what you should do.

Vandal2k6 · Mar 04, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Not 100% on this but I think Anet can do something about these sites. As far as I know, they (anet) own everything to do with, and inside of Guild Wars. This would include the gold. So people making money on something that is not theirs would be deemed illigal by law. Like I said, not 100% but I think that's right. When you buy a game, you actually only buy the license to play it, you don't technically own it.

Whispering Siren · Mar 04, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Except that it's an international business (selling the gold) and not much Anet can do about it (or if they could, it'd be rather expensive to file a suit in multiple countries against multiple sites).

Vandal2k6 · Mar 04, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

They don't have to sue them, they can apply to have them shut down by their hosts. Most will comply if pressured by large companies. Not saying they will do this but Anet has the option and do look down on all this. Still don't understand why you'd want to do it. Farming, buying and selling is all part of the game. Watching your money creep up thanks to the work you've done can be rewarding.

bilateralrope · Mar 05, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Vandal2k6

They don't have to sue them, they can apply to have them shut down by their hosts. Most will comply if pressured by large companies.

Except that the ones the gold selling sites are operating out of are probably sitting somewhere where they are immune to any legal threats ANET can make.

Antheus · Mar 05, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Vandal2k6

Not 100% on this but I think Anet can do something about these sites. As far as I know, they (anet) own everything to do with, and inside of Guild Wars. This would include the gold. So people making money on something that is not theirs would be deemed illigal by law. Like I said, not 100% but I think that's right. When you buy a game, you actually only buy the license to play it, you don't technically own it.

They can't.

Gold selling companies never signed the EULA, only individuals involved did.

So they can suspend all of the accounts that company uses, but they can't do anything against the company itself, not even prevent it from buying more copies.

EULA is not law, and there is currently no legislation that would allow any legal action against virtual item traders.

Once such legislation does apear, then it's quite likely that all virtual assets will become taxable assets - not a pretty picture. It's part of the reason why nothing as such has been passed yet, despite IRS wanting it for quite some time.

Does-it-Matter · Mar 05, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

They have no legal recourse regardless of any EULA or "pressure" by companies towards the site's provider, because there is nothing illegal being done. No propriety information is being traded.

(On an aside: Any and all players are not bound by the EULA, as it is not considered a legal contract, since the only thing (currently) in law creating a contract is your physical signature, not a "I agree" box or a check mark.)

Look at the websites, you are buying their time and effort for playing Guild Wars. The Gold they give you is, at best, a donation (related, or unrelated) for your generosity.

And just so everyone knows... like I say every time this crops up... I am not endorsing such actions. Play the damn game, stop taking the easy road and avoid the "gimme now!" generation.

delude · Mar 05, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

Did the op edit his post, which said "can you guys tell me the site!" or are you guys just so unhelpful.

No they did not edit it, I did. And no, I did not ask for a site or anything.

Thanks for all your help though peeps, i'll bookmark that site because some people just get on my nerves real bad, flooding in caps how they can sell you gold.

Angel Develin · Mar 05, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

The best way to stop Guild wars "Gold sellers" and this kind of site is for ppl NOT buying anything from them, as long as "some ppl" buy gold online this kind of stuff will be there forever.
And no worry's that kind of ppl stop as fast as they get to a uber elite mission like Thunderhead keep

or have no more cash to buy that uber cool looking skin of whatever for there characters that has no better use then any other skin

.

Zenos Squad · Mar 05, 2007, 08:31 AM // 08:31

i've heard rumors that ANET themselves sell gold.

but they are just rumors i think at least...

Etta · Mar 05, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

And where did you hear that?

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 05, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel Develin

The best way to stop Guild wars "Gold sellers" and this kind of site is for ppl NOT buying anything from them, as long as "some ppl" buy gold online this kind of stuff will be there forever.

I disagree. The best way to stop 'em is to report 'em every time you see 'em.

The Herbalizer · Mar 05, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

gold selling sites are not illegal. they cannot be shut down. if they did become illegal i am sure they could base their operations in a country which it is not illegal. anet can ban people who buy or sell gold but do not have any power to shut the sites down. the sites could pay for very very good lawyers just like anet can as some sites make tens of millions of gold from selling gold. there is one site which has aquired a number of very big and well known wow forums and resource sites O_o i am sure with the amount of money to be made they would not stop even if it became illegal.

Mar 04, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43	#1
delude Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Who Knows Profession: N/R	Some questions - Buying gold - Scams? Illegal? How to report? I just wandered if there is a legit, popular website that sells guild wars gold. Do people actually do this? Have any of you ever bought off one? I know it sounds n00bish, lol, but this is my first online RPG and just had to ask the question. I'd like to make clear that I AM NOT asking for a site at all. I do not want to buy gold at all. I was wandering if plaync could shut some of these sites down, because surely its not legal. So many people advertise doing this, can they just not get banned or something? That brings me on to another question, how would i actually report somebody if I saw them advertising these kind of sites. Is there an in game report form or something? Last edited by delude; Mar 04, 2007 at 08:02 PM // 20:02..

Mar 04, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14	#7
Vandal2k6 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Guild: The Manchester Marauders Profession: W/Rt	Not 100% on this but I think Anet can do something about these sites. As far as I know, they (anet) own everything to do with, and inside of Guild Wars. This would include the gold. So people making money on something that is not theirs would be deemed illigal by law. Like I said, not 100% but I think that's right. When you buy a game, you actually only buy the license to play it, you don't technically own it. Last edited by Vandal2k6; Mar 04, 2007 at 09:17 PM // 21:17..

Mar 05, 2007, 08:31 AM // 08:31	#15
Zenos Squad Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2006 Profession: Mo/	hi. i've heard rumors that ANET themselves sell gold. but they are just rumors i think at least...

Mar 04, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50	#2
Sir Seifus Halbred Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006	Well first off buying Guild Wars gold is against the rules and not allowed. Furthermore, asking where you can buy Guild Wars gold on this site is against the rules i believe. User Agreement

Mar 04, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51	#3
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	There are no ligit gold selling site for GW. Yes people do buy them, they choose the easy part or they're just fat & lazy. If anet catch you doing it, they can ban you from GW forever.

Mar 04, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52	#4
Eldin Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: America. How about you, commie? Guild: Fellows of Mythgar [FOM] Profession: R/Mo	I've seen sites that seem legit (aka, they treat the whole thing like a real business). Yes, some people are lazy enough to do this. No, I never have and never will buy off one. I doubt you're allowed to ask for links to said sites on the forum.

Mar 04, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14	#5
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	Take a screenshot of them advertising to sell/buy and send it to support. http://uk.support.plaync.com/cgi-bin...p_new_search=1 Look here to see what will help you report them here. http://www.plaync.com/us/support/doc_2963.html?prod=48

Mar 04, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29	#6
Xenex Xclame Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: DPX Profession: R/	Did the op edit his post, which said "can you guys tell me the site!" or are you guys just so unhelpful. Lets start with your title , No , most of them are not scams, they are just people that will sell you in game gold for real world cash. In Guildwars its not legit no,there are other games that do sell in game gold of some kind but not GW , its against the rules.Yes some people do actually buy in game gold from these sites.No and do you really think anyone will say they have bought it here?Common think about it. I believe they can not shut down the sites, they can ask google to remove them, ebay to remove them, etc etc, but the site them selfs they cant do anything against i think. So many people advertise doing this, can they just not get banned or something? There are so many people ( most of the time its just the same person with multiple accounts) because it is profitable, lets say you sell 1000K gold for 70$ ( i think that the price i saw advertised in Temple of Balthazar last night) And lets say 20 people buy from you then you get reported and banned. You would have made 70X20=1400$ ( Holy Cow O_o are my numbers correct?) So what do you do?You buy a new account ~35$ and you continue, not really a loss. About reporting, someone above me posted where you should go and what you should do.

Mar 04, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16	#8
Whispering Siren Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Maryland	Except that it's an international business (selling the gold) and not much Anet can do about it (or if they could, it'd be rather expensive to file a suit in multiple countries against multiple sites).

Mar 04, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26	#9
Vandal2k6 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Guild: The Manchester Marauders Profession: W/Rt	They don't have to sue them, they can apply to have them shut down by their hosts. Most will comply if pressured by large companies. Not saying they will do this but Anet has the option and do look down on all this. Still don't understand why you'd want to do it. Farming, buying and selling is all part of the game. Watching your money creep up thanks to the work you've done can be rewarding.

Mar 05, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44	#12
Does-it-Matter Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: N/	They have no legal recourse regardless of any EULA or "pressure" by companies towards the site's provider, because there is nothing illegal being done. No propriety information is being traded. (On an aside: Any and all players are not bound by the EULA, as it is not considered a legal contract, since the only thing (currently) in law creating a contract is your physical signature, not a "I agree" box or a check mark.) Look at the websites, you are buying their time and effort for playing Guild Wars. The Gold they give you is, at best, a donation (related, or unrelated) for your generosity. And just so everyone knows... like I say every time this crops up... I am not endorsing such actions. Play the damn game, stop taking the easy road and avoid the "gimme now!" generation.

Mar 05, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23	#14
Angel Develin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lions Arch Guild: Minions of Kronos Profession: N/Me	The best way to stop Guild wars "Gold sellers" and this kind of site is for ppl NOT buying anything from them, as long as "some ppl" buy gold online this kind of stuff will be there forever. And no worry's that kind of ppl stop as fast as they get to a uber elite mission like Thunderhead keep or have no more cash to buy that uber cool looking skin of whatever for there characters that has no better use then any other skin .

Mar 05, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57	#16
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	And where did you hear that?

Mar 05, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18	#18
The Herbalizer <3 Ecto Join Date: Jul 2005	gold selling sites are not illegal. they cannot be shut down. if they did become illegal i am sure they could base their operations in a country which it is not illegal. anet can ban people who buy or sell gold but do not have any power to shut the sites down. the sites could pay for very very good lawyers just like anet can as some sites make tens of millions of gold from selling gold. there is one site which has aquired a number of very big and well known wow forums and resource sites O_o i am sure with the amount of money to be made they would not stop even if it became illegal.